An eclectic group of individuals who have two things in common: faith in Jesus and a connection to St. John's College. Here we gather, across time and space, to carry on a dialogue.
Tuesday, January 23, 2007
Comment Moderation
Posted by Jackson at 6:09 PM
Heya...it seems that comments aren't showing up, due to comment moderation being on. would one of the blog moderators please turn off comment moderation so that all the comments show up? it would be much appreciated; I'd like to see what people are saying in response to recent posts.
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  Comment by Blogger Kristi at 10:12 AM, January 25, 2007
should be fixed... if not, bug dwight :)
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  Comment by Blogger Jackson at 1:00 PM, January 25, 2007
Thanks, Kristi!
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Sunday, January 21, 2007
God and time
Posted by Kristi at 3:11 PM
hey...

so i was wondering what everyone thought about the concept of God in time or out of time and what is the nature of His relationship to time, etc... partly because of a conversation I stumbled upon over here: http://a-train-415.livejournal.com/183740.html

Which leads me to a question that has been on my mind for many years: how do you understand/relate to/approach/feel about "eternity"? What is your conception of it? Do you have a conception of it, and does it excite you? Scare you? Confuse you? Or are you pretty ambivalent? Content with not knowing what it will be like? Why or why not?

Also, do you think eternity will resemble anything like our earthly lives? Or lives pre-fall?
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  Comment by Anonymous Anonymous at 2:47 AM, January 22, 2007
In the beginning,
God made everything.
Later,
he regretted making everything,
and was gonna flood it all
but saw Noah.
Later still,
God heard Joshua tell him,
“Sun stand still!”
and thought, "hey, good idea."

God can be in time; it seems he likes to follow the story as it unfolds. God’s not stuck in time. He’s in contact with any time he wants: he knows certain things will happen. What’s the difference between minutes and millennia for him?

I don’t think about the time unit “eternity” much. Time will keep happening and won’t stop happening.
Life will be glorious when Jesus returns—we’ll then invent the next word in the sequence “good, better, best.” Fresh new heavens, earth, and body.
This future is the most worthy object of hope—a life of unhindered unity with the Father (and his kids).
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  Comment by Anonymous Anonymous at 11:38 AM, January 22, 2007
Good questions. The whole question of God's relationship to time is something I keep coming back to and changing my mind on. I never can seem to settle on an answer, but I'm not sure whether that's because I'm actually learning, or just 'cause my opinions are fickle and I don't know when to hold onto a good answer when I see it.
It seems to me that it's important to look to the Bible for answers on this question, rather than make speculations based on philosophy or physics or anything like that. Not that there's anything wrong with extrabiblical knowledge, but it needs to be anchored in what God has actually said about Himself. Numbers 23:19 seems to be a good starting point- "God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"
It seems to me that this passage basically says that God is consistent. He sticks by His guns; He doesn't flip-flop on His decisions; He's not fickle. May we then say that God is unchanging? It seems likely! But, that said, I don't think it necessarily follows that God is outside of time. I can't think of any apt explanations or analogies; it's hard to explain exactly why it seems that way to me, but it does.
Eternity...eternity really used to scare the snot out of me, back when I was five or so. I think I was deathly afraid that I would get bored. Sometimes I still feel afraid of that...but then I remember what Jesus is consistently comparing the kingdom of Heaven to in His parables. A party! A marriage feast, a celebration of love! I cannot imagine that God, in all His goodness, would throw a party that would be boring. To a certain extent, my fears that it would be boring are probably a function of my present fallenness, and a perfected man will probably enjoy the party a whole lot more than a dude who came unprepared (see Matt. 22:11), but it's not like God is just going to eliminate our desire for excitement.
Anyway, I do think eternity will have a measure of similarity to our earthly lives. I dare say it will be as similar to our earthly lives as it can be without possessing flaws.
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  Comment by Blogger Nicholas at 1:38 PM, January 29, 2007
"I don’t think about the time unit 'eternity' much. Time will keep happening and won’t stop happening."

This way of thinking, which the first Anonymous writer proposes, seems utterly flawed to me. While I do not discount the possibility of comparing earthly life to heavenly life, I will affirm that eternity, i.e. God's relation our Temporal" is NOT a "Time -unit." Such implies (at least to me) that Eternity is a "a neverending period of temporal reality as we know it." How do we, Mr/Ms/Mrs Anonymous, know that Time will keep happening?
Do we even know what Time is in reference to Paul's comment in Galatians that "Christ lives in me." If Christ is someone who died 2000 years ago, how can he live in a the body of a Christian, or the body of a Christian congregation, NOW? The only simple answer that can be given is that the Resurrected life of Christ, which all Christians participate in on a daily basis, does not take place within the constraints of Time. For if it did, then Christ, a man crucified in the past, could not be living in the present. Rather, Time must be seen in the Light of the Resurrected One who was Crucified for us. The Eternal Kingdom of Heaven is a reality which is enacted every moment in which this Past becomes the living Present that will pave the way for the Future. Christ IS yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Even while living this earthly life, if we allow the Bridegroom to enter our heart, Time will matter no longer; Only his presence will.
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  Comment by Blogger Jared at 5:03 PM, February 11, 2007
Hey Nicholas-- it's Jared. I'm Mr. Anonymous; I don't know why it didn't catch my name.

You asked how I know time will keep happening; I just trust it will.
The scriptures tell nothing about before the beginning, and they tell about a future with a new heaven&earth where God will dwell with us (Revelation 21). The scriptures are mostly chronological histories--telling the story that we're in & how it will unfold.
I don't see any scriptures directing me to think about a place outside the context of time.
Do you?

You asked,"If Christ is someone who died 2000 years ago, how can he live in a the body of a Christian, or the body of a Christian congregation, NOW?"
Christ can live in us now because God raised him to life three days after he died. He's not dead anymore.
What conflict do you see between time and the resurrection?
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Friday, January 05, 2007
Newsweek Article by a Friend
Posted by Jackson at 9:59 AM
Hey, guys. Some of you know her, and some of you don't, but my friend Tania--who is actually a graduated Johnny--wrote this article for Newsweek's "My Turn" column. It's about her experiences as a liberal Christian who subscribes to evolution and who married a creationist. If you think you'd be interested in reading it, go ahead and check it out. I can tell you right off, in my opinion it's well worth the time to read, and I think it's great that she got stuff published in Newsweek.
The whole creationism-evolution thing hasn't seen much discussion on this blog, so let's just throw that out there. What are your thoughts on it? Why do you think it's such a big deal in the public sphere, and how important do you think it is? What do you think about "theistic evolution?" Let's hear some thoughts, yo.
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